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Old 08-21-2009, 10:56 PM
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Default Are there any liberals willing to admit that Health Insurance is not the problem?

The actual ROOT CAUSE of the Health Insurance issue in this country are skyrocketing with no end in sight HEALTH CARE costs. Until someone from the left is willing to go against the Liberal battle cry, it will never matter who pays the bill of has coverage, the ROOT cause of unaffordable health insurance will remain in place! DEMOCRATS, START ADDRESSING ROOT CAUSE ISSUES AND YOU MAY DO BETTER IN THE NEXT ELECTION!
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Old 08-22-2009, 10:56 PM
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We tried with the public option but republicans didn't want it.
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Old 08-23-2009, 10:56 PM
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The costs are 17% of GDP. Health insurers are protected monopolies and have been for 64 years. They have NO COMPETITION! No competition IS the problem! They charge what they want and pay what they want with no regulation.
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Old 08-24-2009, 10:56 PM
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Old 08-25-2009, 10:56 PM
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this is monkey talk.
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Old 08-27-2009, 10:56 PM
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You are correct. The whole mess began with Ted Kennedy and the well meaning but misguided philosophy of "preventative care". He was the mastermind behind the HMO or Health Maintenance Organization concept of insurance. He and a lot of others believed that by providing free or nearly free office visits, early detection of serious conditions would reduce medical costs. It was very wrong.

For some reason, Democrats never seem to figure out that if you give people something for nothing they will abuse it. Before the HMO, we did not have "health insurance" we had "hospitalization insurance". Insurance is actually a financial planning tool. It exists to protect financial assets of the insured. Hospitalization paid for major health care costs such as emergency care, surgery, in-patient care etc. We paid for our own regular health care maintenance.

I am old enough to remember. Before HMO's you could call for an appointment with any doctor you wanted and either pay for service at the time of the visit or arrange a payment plan if you were a regular customer. We had family doctors in our neighborhood who knew us we had good relationships. After HMO's, you could only go to "in network" doctors and when you did you wait for hours in overcrowded waiting rooms for impersonal, assembly line care. Most of the people there did not even need to see a doctor but since it was free... That meant that really sick people had to wait and wait.

Your point is very valid. Insurance is not health care. Everything would be a lot better if we completely abandoned the current system and returned to paying for our own regular care and having insurance for major issues. A good improvement would be tax exempt health savings accounts that could be used to pay for regular care and incidentals. But the best way to keep costs down is to allow the consumer to shop around for the best value.

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Old 08-31-2009, 10:56 PM
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The problem is certainly health care costs. Thing is, the right wing blames it on malpractice insurance and lawsuits, when the reality is, almost every component involved in the medical care industry is making insane profits.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2009/performers/industries/profits/

Two of the top 5 most profitable industries are pharmaceuticals and medical equipment and products. Its not like they are just "slightly" higher than other industries either. They have profit margins several times higher than the average US industry.

Billions of dollars would be cut directly out of the cost of health care if we eliminated the gouging perpetrated by big Pharm and medical supply companies.

A secondary problem is that Americans often never go to the hospital, especially those in the ranks of the 50 million uninsured, until they need expensive emergency care. Instead of going in for check ups, where high cholesterol and blood pressure could have been caught and dealt with, we are going in when we collapse from a heart attack and need a triple bypass.
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:56 PM
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"We tried with the public option but republicans didn't want it."
-That would not solve it.
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Old 09-06-2009, 10:56 PM
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You did not say what you think the root cause of health care problems is.
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